Showing posts with label International: Marriage Equality. Show all posts
Showing posts with label International: Marriage Equality. Show all posts

July 22, 2015

Italy in Breach of ECHR* Same Sex Union Rights

*European Commission Human Rights
The Gay Pride Parade in Milan last month  Photo: Barcroft
 The court ruled that although states should be allowed flexibility to decide how to handle the question of rights for same-sex couples, Italy violated the article of the European Convention on Human Rights establishing the “right to respect for private and family life” by failing to provide a “specific legal framework providing for the recognition and protection of their same-sex unions”.
This is the first time the ECHR states that legal recognition of same-sex unions (civil union or registered partnership) should be available to same-sex couples.
The three couples argued that they suffered discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
A number of Italian municipalities, including Rome, have offered registration of same-sex marriages contracted overseas – but that was dismissed by the court as having “merely symbolic and did not confer any rights on same-sex couples”, including inheritance rights.
‘The European Court has said in Italy there is a violation of human rights, and this is not honorable for a large country like ours, ‘ Scalfarotto has said. The judges in Strasbourg said that Italy’s delay was no longer tolerable. The court urged Italy to provide such recognition, and ordered it to pay damages and compensation to the case’s plaintiffs. The court said that only 24 of them have legislation on same-sex unions.
Italy remains the only major country in Western Europe which does not have legal protections for cohabiting same-sex couples, or same-sex marriage.
The European Court of Human Rights was set up in 1959 and aims to protect human rights, democracy and the rule of law across the continent.
The ruling will prove to be controversial in Italy, where the coalition government of centre-left Prime Minister Matteo Renzi has pledged to put forward legislation to recognise civil partnerships.
But recent opinion polls have shown a significant swing in favor of reform, following a pattern seen in Ireland, like Italy a strongly Catholic country, which overwhelmingly voted in favor of legalizing same-sex marriages in May.

April 14, 2013

Gay Man Desperately Seeking Chinese Wife

A same-sex wedding ceremony in China's Fujian province. Photograph: Str/AFP/Getty Images
Like so many modern couples, Tom Wang and his wife met online. On their first date, in a teahouse, he admired her femininity. They married a year later and are now negotiating the decor of their new flat.
Wang hopes they will grow old together, yet refused to pay for her wedding ring and is wary of having a child. "I have a headache when I talk about that," said the 40-year-old software engineer, with a half-smile, half-grimace.
His wife is not family; not even a friend, he said – merely a partner in their joint endeavour. He is gay, she lesbian. The marriage is a facade, erected to satisfy their parents and protect their careers.
Though homosexuality was illegal in China until 1997, and remains a sensitive issue, the country does not have the deep-rooted, vicious homophobia of many other places. For most of its history, it "not only tolerated male same-sex love but also celebrated it", writes Richard Burger in Behind the Red Door, a history of sex in China.
But such relationships supplemented marriage rather than replaced it. According to the tenets of traditional society, the worst kind of unfilial behaviour is failing to continue the family line. Even now, the pressure to marry and have children is intense. Zhang Beichuan, an expert on homosexuality at Qingdao University, believes about 80% of gay men and lesbians marry. Most wed straight partners unaware of their spouses' sexuality. Others, such as Wang, find a homosexual partner of the opposite sex by asking friends or advertising online.
One woman in her early 20s writes on one such website: "I have promised my parents I will marry by 2014 … I am looking for someone who is simple, honest, has an apartment, does not want a child.
"We won't disturb each other. The marriage will last at least five years."
Another says she and her girlfriend are out to please their parents, but want a baby. As an openly lesbian couple they would face social stigma; birth control policies also make life harder for children born to single mothers.
"I want to find someone who is healthy, not bad looking, intelligent, kind and cheerful," she states.
"You don't need to raise the kid, but I hope you are a father who will love the kid and be a male role model."
Wang (not his real name) spent five years seeking a suitable bride. For men, the pressure to marry starts in their early 30s, he said; for women, much earlier. His wife, almost a decade younger than him, also wanted to allay her parents' suspicion after they reacted angrily to her attempts to come out.
Wang bought time by telling his family that Shanghai girls would not look at him until he had a flat. His sister asked outright if he had physical problems.
"My parents are from the countryside. Everyone compares themselves with each other, especially about their children," he said. "It was a big deal that I went to university in the city and got a good job – so why couldn't such a great guy find a wife and have children? That was a lot of pressure for my parents."
Even in the city, being openly gay could really harm you at work, he says. Simply being single is a problem: "I work for a foreign company so it's not so bad, because they respect personal privacy, but they still want you to take your girlfriend or wife to company events. If you are single, people think you're weird. They feel you are more responsible and mature after you marry. They also feel you have a family to feed so maybe they should give you a chance," said Wang.
Thanks to such pressures, as many as 12m gay men are married to straight women, estimates Xing Fei, of the Sichuan Academy of Social Sciences.
Wang said he never considered that option: "I know if a woman loved me, I couldn't give her the love she would expect or want. For a woman, that's tragic," he said.
Xing said others wanted to avoid a straight partner's sexual demands.
But marriages of convenience bring their own difficulties. "Some of these marriages are good – they can help and support each other – but most don't last long," warned Zhang.
Couples may agree in advance to an early divorce. Others find cohabiting and sharing family duties harder than expected. Splitting up can bring disputes over children and property.
In Wang's case, their property is registered in their own names. They have also covered every detail they could think of – he will pay all travel costs for visiting his parents, for example – in written terms that are not legally binding but make their mutual expectations clear.
They will have separate rooms, but share a bed when his family comes to stay. They will not give a key to her parents, who live nearby, lest they pop in unexpectedly.
"I'm really lucky to find her, and she's a generous person," Wang said of his wife. "But there will be more problems later. With love you can put up with a lot. Without love, it's harder."
Additional research by Cecily Huang

February 9, 2013

Conservative Brit: 'The Idea One Has To Vote For Equality is Abhorrent'

This posting appeared at

MIKE Freer is Conservative member for Finchley and Golders Green. He gets it. He understands that debating gay marriage and gay rights is an ugly business. The suits debate your freedoms, what is it you are allowed to do with your life. Who gave them the right? Who put them in charge of right and wrong?
Who would chose to be gay – and some still call it a lifestyle choice – and have your life become a matter of public debate? Who would want to be set apart as a special case, something different and questionable?
Vote now for equality. The idea that you have to even vote for it is abhorrent:

July 30, 2012

Obamas’ Pro Gay Announcement Has Repercussions in Japan

Koyuki Higashi is slim, articulate and intelligent, things that make a would-be wife attractive to many in Japan. But Higashi knows she will probably never marry because she is a lesbian.
Despite the increasing tolerance of gay marriage in much of the developed world, especially in Europe, and a gradual acceptance of the issue in more liberal states in the US, the subject is not on the radar in Japan or in many parts of Asia.
But when Barack Obama gingerly put his head above the election year parapet, announcing he was in favour of same-sex marriage, it lit a spark of hope on the other side of the Pacific in conservative Japan.
“Seeing the US president expressing his support for same-sex couples was like being told it was ok to be who we are,” said Higashi, 27.
“Everyone now knows Obama supports same-sex marriage. The impact is so big, it's incomparable.”
Her partner, 34-year-old Hiroko, who uses only one name, agreed.
“I was really happy to see Obama use his starpower in that way,” she said.
Obama's pronouncement preceded a global campaign aimed at encouraging a stronger voice for gay rights.
His administration dispatched Mark Bromley, chair of advocacy group Council for Global Equality, to Japan in June - gay pride month - where he told reporters equality for same sex couples was an important tenet of human rights.
“(Hillary) Clinton was very elegant in saying that minorities can never fully protect themselves; minorities need majorities to find full protection and full acceptance,” said Bromley, who has a 2-year-old daughter with his husband.
“That requires laws and political support, and social space.”
Homosexuals in Japan welcomed the gesture, but, warned gay expat David Wagner, it was likely to disappear into the void.
“I doubt it will have much impact on other nations such as Japan where the will of the people rarely takes priority,” said Wagner, who has lived in Japan for 25 years.
“Japan is clearly more tolerant than many places,” he said, adding gays and lesbians in Japan are unlikely to encounter outright hostility, something he puts down less to acceptance than to a people who “are agnostic and tend to mix religions.”
But “tolerance has limits in Japan,” he said.
A week after Obama became the first sitting US president to back gay marriage, Higashi scored a little victory for the lesbian, gay and bisexual community in Japan when she confirmed with Tokyo Disneyland that same-sex couples could hold their wedding ceremonies at the theme park.
But the park warned that celebrations would have no legal standing because Japanese law does not recognise same-sex partnerships.
Nor does it recognise or give the same rights to any number of other family arrangements long considered acceptable in some countries.
Under rules that have changed little since World War II, married couples must use the same surname and women are barred from remarrying within six months of their divorce.
Any baby born within 300 days of a divorce is automatically the former husband's and children born out of wedlock have far fewer rights to inherit than their legitimate siblings.
Women can marry at 16; men must wait until they are 18; one divorcing parent must completely give up custody of their child, a rule that usually means an estranged father all but disappears.
The nation's divorce rate began climbing in the 1960s, after decades in which about 70,000 couples terminated their marriage each year.
In 2011, nearly 236,000 couples separated, according to welfare ministry statistics. Around 660 000 couples tied the knot in that year.
Shuhei Ninomiya, professor of law at Ritsumeikan University, said the imported debate over gay marriage may help, in the long run, to provoke discussion over how the family as an idea can adapt to the needs of 21st century Japan.
“The law is not designed for divorcing parents to communicate and share child custody after they separate,” he said. “Under the law, marital diversity is largely denied.
“Discrimination against children born out of wedlock, stigmatising them because of their parents' marital status, has been justified to protect legitimate marriage.”
“We need to hear Obama's support for same-sex couples as a broader message that forms of marriage can be colourful and different for each couple.”
Hiroko said the gay marriage debate was an important one for everyone in Japan, where the pressure to conform to social norms is high.
“Both majority and minority groups should join hands, otherwise we cannot hope to see a change in the law,” she said. - Sapa-AFP


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June 21, 2012

Unlike Here the French Gays got Together (and now they will get) Marriage Equality

The reports today that with the win in France Socialist party the LGTB community will have a big win by getting Equal Marriage Equality. You had a coalition of three different parties with different ideology getting together to form a government together. Unlike here that you have a group of Gays riding on the backs of others that vote democratic even if they have to hold their noses, but knowing that is the only train out of town to Equality. One perfect example this week comes by the way of the GoProud group. Backing people that clearly will have us go back to the closet and be invisible. They are in shame of who they are and find that the only way to be gay is not to be shown in public like we were some kind of contagious disease. The French did it a different way and now they get the pay off that we still in this country we don’t have. Recognition by our government and giving us the right that straight people are afforded.

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Gay Marriage Will Soon Become Legal in France Big Win for LGBT Rights in Europe 
French leftists won big in the last legislative elections. The Socialist Party, along with the French Communist Party and the left-leaning Green party, scored 343 seats combined in the 577-seat national assembly. The right-wing party only scored 223 seats, which means they cannot block new laws proposed by the Socialists.
The Socialists have promised big changes this year. Socialist president François Hollande, who won in the presidential election on May 6, made many charming promises, including withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, reducing budget balance, more jobs, and more funds for less developed regions. Hollande also made a promise to pass a law allowing same-sex couples to marry and adopt legally in 2013, an unprecedented step in France. French Prime Minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault recently reiterated his support for gay marriage. The draft is “ready” and the legislation will be implemented “quickly.”
I've always found it ironic how a firm secular state like France, the first nation in history to issue a human rights bill,could resist legalizing gay marriage for so long. French society is not known to be homophobic per se. You might have a hard time expressing your sexual identity freely in some parts of the southern provinces or Parisian banlieues, but the nation as whole is tolerant. Last June, a public poll stated that 63% of the French people were in favor of same-sex marriage, and 55% also supported adoption rights. Yet, the national assembly of France failed to pass the law and lost the vote 293-222, while the right-wing parties were still in power.
There are many obvious reasons why it’s high time France legalized gay marriage. Perhaps, the most convincing is allowing all French citizens equal rights regardless of sexual orientation. If you believe that a minority should be satisfied with something less than the rights you enjoy and feel entitled to, then you’re a bigot. Personally, I’m not against domestic partnerships (PACS), but these partnerships have shown great fiscal disadvantage since their introduction and PACS couples, nevertheless, still don’t have rights to adopt children or inherit their partners unlike heterosexual marriages.

In the video – taped during last year's pride parade in Paris – the lady (who speaks first) speaks of discrimination against LGBT people in the work place in France. She argues that LGBT in France are still subject to “anti-gay bullying (verbal) and insults.” The lady also argues “that discrimination against sexual orientation may translate to salaries and the course of one’s career.”

Adopting gay marriage will help France move forward in its anti-gay discrimination protections. The next generation will become more accepting of gay marriage – if they’re not already – and homophobia will decrease in schools, as young kids will be instructed that all French citizens enjoy equal rights, including the right to marry whomever they think they love, regardless of gender.
If France adopts this new gay marriage bill, it will be the 9th country within the EU to recognize same-sex marriage. Denmark, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Spain, Portugal, Iceland, and The Netherlands all recognize same-sex marriage already and Britain is likely to join the club soon.
With France moving toward legalizing same-sex marriage, hopefully the EU will follow suit.

May 23, 2012

In Italy Gays Start Their Own party for Next Elections

Gay Center's spokesman Fabrizio Marrazzo is going to form a new 'gay party'.
Photo courtesy of Gay Center, Rome.

Italian LGBT activsts are taking homophobic politicians head-on by forming their own gay political party.
It will compete in local and national elections and is going to be organized by Rome’s Gay Center, a group of activists in the capital of the country.
The news has been released, today, by the left-wing magazine L’Espresso, which reports that the discussions in the gay association are ‘advanced’.
Italy’s general elections – for parliament and government – will be in 2013. The Gay Center plans to present the party's symbol, probably next month, and start preparing to run for office in these elections.
According to L’Espresso, the political movement will be part of the Italian ‘antipolitica’. The recent local elections have showned the victory of new parties which claim to be ‘totally new’ and want to reform Italian politics, reducing the cost to the taxpayer.
One of these parties, Beppe Grillo’s Movimento 5 Stelle, which was born on Facebook, won its first mayors on Monday (21 May). So, according to the left-wing magazine, the new ‘gay party’ is going to follow the same ideas.
Young politicians with no links with ‘the old elephants’ of Italian politics and loads of social networking and new communication strategies characterize the new wave. The ‘gay party’ is said to be surfing this wave.
Gay Center’s spokesman, Fabrizio Marrazzo, said: ‘As the new survey by Istituto Nazionale di Statistica showed, almost half of Italians are in favour of gay marriage, but our politicians deny it. It’s time to change their minds.’

March 28, 2012

Gay Uruguayan Married to Italian Given Residence In Italy

LGBT community faces many struggles globally.
Rome (dpa) – Gay rights activists in Italy welcomed Monday the decision to issue a residence permit to a Uruguayan man whose application was initially rejected because his same-sex marriage to an Italian is not recognized by the country’s laws.
A court in Reggio Emilia, last month ruled that authorities had violated European Union norms on freedom of movement by denying the permit to the man, reports said.
The Uruguayan man had married his Italian partner in Spain where same-sex marriages are legal. The couple have been identified in news 
reports as Rafael and Flavio.
On the basis of their union, the Uruguayan had applied for a residence permit in Italy, for which foreigners can qualify, either through marriage to an Italian, or through obtaining legal employment.
The residence permit granted to Rafael represents “the first document in Italian history which effectively recognizes the family status of homosexual couples,” said rights group Associazione Radicale Certi Diritti which supported the two men in their legal battle.
Paola Concia, a lesbian member of parliament for Italy’s main center-left Democratic Party, said the decision by the court in Reggio Emilia “is another important signal to Italian politicians”.
She said that the “legislative vacuum” that exists in Italy where there are no laws governing same-sex marriage “is unacceptable for a country that wishes to be part of Europe.”
The largest political party in Italy’s parliament, former prime minster Silvio Berlusconi’s conservative People of Freedom say it opposes the granting of any legal status to same-sex unions as these would undermine traditional Catholic family values, which the party says it espouses.
Concia’s own party is split on the issue, with some representatives saying they are against same-sex marriages while being in favor of giving gay couples some sort of legal recognition.

March 4, 2012

England } Clash Between Catholic Church and Gay Marriage

Catholic leader Cardinal Keith O'Brien clashes with David Cameron on same-sex marriage plans
The new clash between the Coalition and the Catholic Church comes as the Church of England also appears increasingly split over the issue of gay rights Photo: David Cheskin/PA
Cardinal Keith O’Brien, the leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland, says the proposals to allow same-sex unions are “madness” and a “grotesque subversion of a universally accepted human right”.
The cardinal’s intervention, in an article for The Sunday Telegraph, is the strongest criticism yet from any church figure of the plans, which are due to be unveiled this month by Lynne Featherstone, the equalities minister.
He accuses ministers of trying to “redefine reality” and change long-standing laws and traditions “at the behest of a small minority of activists”.
The cardinal has added his voice to those of leading figures in the Coalition for Marriage, a group of bishops, politicians and lawyers opposed to the changes. The group’s supporters include Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury.
The group is in outright opposition to Mr Cameron, who hopes to make legislation changing the legal definition of marriage to include same-sex couples, expected by 2015, one of the central achievements of his time in office. 
Mrs Featherstone is to launch a consultation on how the changes will come about this month. Despite opposition from some sections of his party, the Prime Minister has personally associated himself with the proposals.
Mr Cameron told last year’s Tory conference in Manchester: “I don’t support gay marriage in spite of being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative.” Last week his spokesman said he was “passionate” about the issue.
Cardinal O’Brien, the only British Catholic to be part of the College of Cardinals, the body which elects popes, accuses ministers of showing “intolerance” and coming up with plans that would “shame the United Kingdom in the eyes of the world”.
The new clash between the Coalition and the Catholic Church comes as the Church of England also appears increasingly split over the issue of gay rights.
A new proposal for a deal that would effectively prevent openly gay clergy from becoming bishops is on the brink of failure despite the personal endorsement of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams.
The proposed agreement, known as the Anglican Covenant, has been rejected by 13 dioceses so far, with only eight backing it.
Defeat would, it was said, be a “devastating” blow to Dr Williams. The Covenant needs the approval of a majority of dioceses for a vote at the General Synod.
The Government, meanwhile, faces a Commons rebellion of scores of Conservative MPs over its gay marriage proposals. Some Tory ministers are among those opposed. Any vote is many months away, however, and Labour would be almost certain to back the move.
The legislation would apply only in England and Wales. However, Scottish MPs would be able to vote on the plans – a fact which has helped provoke Cardinal O’Brien’s intervention today.
He writes: “Since all the legal rights of marriage are already available to homosexual couples, it is clear that this proposal is not about rights, but rather is an attempt to redefine marriage for the whole of society at the behest of a small minority of activists.
“Same-sex marriage would eliminate entirely in law the basic idea of a mother and a father for every child. It would create a society which deliberately chooses to deprive a child of either a mother or a father.”
Ministers have assured church groups they will not be forced to accept same-sex marriages – a pledge which does not impress the cardinal. He writes: “Imagine for a moment that the Government had decided to legalise slavery but assured us that 'No one will be forced to keep a slave.’
“Would such worthless assurances calm our fury? Would they justify dismantling a fundamental human right?”
Campaigners say the state has no right to change the definition of marriage according to most Christian thinking – a definition which is enshrined in laws dating back almost 800 years.
Mrs Featherstone, however, has argued that marriage is “owned by the people” and that governments have a duty to change laws to bolster the “underlying principles of family, society and personal freedoms”

January 27, 2012

Australian Government Makes Easier For Gay Bi National Couples To Married

Australians who want to take part in a same-sex marriage overseas will soon be able to apply for a certificate of no impediment.
Heterosexual couples already have the legal right to the certificate which confirms there is no legal impediment to a person taking part in a marriage ceremony.
"This important change will allow same-sex couples to take part in overseas marriage ceremonies," federal Attorney-General Nicola Roxon said in a statement on Friday.
They will considered married according to the laws of that country.
In some countries, foreign nationals are required to produce a certificate of no impediment of marriage from the country in which they hold citizenship.
Applications for the certificate can be made from February 1.
The change has been welcomed by the Public Interest Advocacy Centre.
The centre's chief executive Edward Santow said the move was an important milestone towards achieving equality for same-sex couples.
"By refusing to issue certificates of no impediments ... Australia was forcing its own discriminatory approach onto other countries," he said in a statement.
(From Australian sources)

January 26, 2012

{Canada} The Commonwealth and Same Sex Marriage


Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird deserves to be commended for continuing to speak out about gay rights around the world. His speech this week at a meeting of the Royal Commonwealth Society in London underscored Canadian values.
What Baird doesn't deserve is the shock expressed by gay rights activists in Canada at the government's position on the issue.
What Baird said this week - that "the criminalization of homosexuality is incompatible with the fundamental Commonwealth value of human rights" - is neither surprising nor new. He said as much last year, both in Parliament and at a meeting of the Commonwealth heads of government in Australia. Canada rightly added its voice to the voices of Australian and British officials condemning the dozens of Commonwealth countries that have punitive and regressive laws criminalizing homosexuality. It is the moral responsibility of such countries to support the plight of homosexuals abroad, especially when it involves the actions of fellow Commonwealth countries.
Further, to suggest that the Conservative government wouldn't take such a position is absurd.
In 2005, Canada became the fourth country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage. Any concerns that support for same-sex marriage would erode under the Conservative government, which includes some caucus members who publicly oppose it, should have been alleviated by the recent move by the government to extend divorce laws to include samesex couples who were married here but live overseas. The government also, in response to a recent court case, stated clearly that same-sex couples who were married in Canada are considered legally married.
The Conservative government will have, in fact, gone further than any Canadian government in its legislative support for same-sex marriage if it reforms divorce laws as it has promised to.
Baird, by speaking loudly about gay rights in the Commonwealth, is standing up for the principles of the Commonwealth and the values of Canadians.

January 15, 2012

Canada } Some Offended by Picture of Wedding Kissing While Others Embrace it

 Some readers criticized the inclusion of this photo of a gay couple sharing a wedding kiss, but were quickly admonished by other commenters.(Jonathan Hayward/Canadian Press)Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said Friday that Canada's civil marriage laws need to change in order to recognize same-sex couples that live outside of the country.

The case arose out of a court filing where a federal lawyer said Canada couldn't grant a lesbian couple a divorce because they were never married in the first place. One woman lives in England and one in Florida. Neither jurisdiction recognizes same-sex marriage.

Readers on submitted more than 875 comments by Saturday afternoon. Opinions and arguments were extremely varied, with some focusing on the legal ramifications of same-sex marriages' status outside Canada.

Others debated the political fallout when Nicholson blamed the oversight on the previous Liberal government - and Interim Liberal Party Leader Bob Rae's response.

The top-rated comment by reader undermedia attracted hundreds "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" votes and started a discussion thread of more than 20 replies.

  • "Reading through this brief story, for once I found myself on my way to being completely impressed with the class and levelheadedness displayed by our government in addressing this particular matter," wrote undermedia. "That is, until the compulsory jab at the previous Liberal government. I really ought to know better by now."
Readers replied to agree or contend undermedia's comment, who then replied to some defending or expanding upon the original post. Here's a sample of the replies:

  • "Once again, who should the Conservatives blame? It was the Liberals who drafted the law. That's fact." - CJMills82
  • "They could've simply stated 'there is a legislative gap in the law and we will fix it.' End of story. But no, their chronic superiority complex got the best of them once again and they just had to phrase it in a way that insinuates that the Liberals caused 'completely unfair' 'confusion and pain.'" - undermedia
  • "This is a typical media child statement - making the main story out of this to be something negative on the Conservatives. Who cares if they talk about the past? Look at what is going on now. This is a good thing is it not? Why do you have to try and find something wrong with the Conservatives about it? If you can't change that way of thinking then go post on political blogs where your comments will be more relevant." - DougieFresh
  • "See my last comment above. If the Conservatives had just managed to keep their hyper-partisan mouths shut, then the focus of the story wouldn't have to be on how they used this issue to denigrate the Liberal Party (because that is, in fact, what they did). Don't blame the media, blame the Conservatives." - undermedia
CJMills82 and others questioned why the civil marriage laws had garnered so much attention, including extensive coverage on CBC's Power and Politics with Evan Solomon, when it primarily involved couples living outside the country.

  • "Why are we changing our laws, when it's the country's of origin that are the problem? These couples came here to get married to get around the laws of their home countries. And then they get upset when those country's don't honour it. Why is it up to Canada to fix that?" - CJMills82
  • "'The case arose out of a court filing where a federal lawyer said Canada couldn't grant a lesbian couple a divorce because they were never married in the first place.' That's why. A Canadian government lawyer was arguing that gay marriage performed in Canada was not valid under certain circumstances. They're fixing that loophole. Kudos to the Government of Canada for doing the right thing. I wasn't expecting that." - Seedy1
Finally, several readers disapproved of the photograph of a gay couple sharing a kiss at their wedding in Ottawa from 2005. Some of the comments were deemed offensive and deleted by's moderation team, but not before being called out by other readers. (note: the CBC Community Team and moderation team for are separate entities).

  • "A very disturbing photo!" - Extraordinary
    • "What's disturbing about two good looking young people kissing?" - Mistrusted
    • "Love is beautiful, wherever we see it." - Granny
    • "I know, the dress on the woman standing behind them... awful. There oughta be a law." - Olive Dee
  • "Nice do you really need to show two guys making out. Classless. Maybe you lefties think that your pushing your point here that all people must accept this lifestyle choice or else." - CashCropFarmer
  • "Lighten up, friend. I don't have a left wing bone in my body, and I have no problem at all with same-sex marriages.
As my 85-year-old mom said to me over 50 years ago, it's hard enough to find anyone to love these days so no matter what the gender, if people have found someone to love, be happy for them, be nice to them, and wish them the best.

In fact, the more photos people see of men together, the more folks like you will realize that it isn't worth getting upset about. The sun will still rise tomorrow." - Ron Good

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